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The extreme fine-tuning of the universe on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:45 am
But to have just one life permitting universe, you need 1 to 10^500 attempts to get it done. Thats a 1 with 500 zeros. If we put it in comparison, that in our universe, there exist around 10^80 atoms
http://www.scienceandreligiontoday.com/2010/05/13/does-a-fine-tuned-universe-lead-to-god/
Ernan McMullin, a philosopher of science trained in physics and a Catholic priest, envisions fine-tuning as a radically new kind of argument for God. “In order to get a life-bearing universe,” he says, “the laws of nature have to be pretty much what they are. Now the question is, what do we make of that?”
McMullin sees only four possible answers: luck, premature science, the multiverse theory, and a Creator God. He rejects “luck” as being wildly unlikely. He rejects premature science because “there are so many coincidences in the laws of nature that it’s not very likely that they could all follow from a simple, single theory.” He rejects the multiverse (of perhaps an infinity of universes) as requiring “an enormous additional postulate” and being “quite extreme.” He says: “To postulate something so totally new, something for which there is no evidence at all, is wishful thinking.”
http://www.godsci.com/gs/new/finetuning.html
Carbon chemistry
Lee Smolin (a world-class physicist and a leader in quantum gravity) estimates that if the physical constants of the universe were chosen randomly, the epistemic-probability of ending up with a world with carbon chemistry is less than one part in 10^220.
This epistemic-probability is one part in: 10000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 0.
Epistemic Probability: 0.0000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 1
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/creationism/if-a-intelligent-creator-is-discarted-what-is-left-t23805-500.html
Lee Smolin Wrote (Three Roads, p202)
It may seem fantastic to think of the universe as analogous to a biological or ecological system, but these are the best examples of the power of the processes of self organization to form a world of tremendous beauty and complexity. If this view is to be taken seriously, we should ask if there is any evidence of it. Are there any aspects of the universe and the laws that govern it that require explanation in terms of mechanisms of self organisation? We have allready discussed one piece of evidence for this, which is the anthropic observation: The apparently improbable values of the masses of the elementary particles and the strengths of the fundamental forces. One can estimate the probablilty that the constants in our standard theories of the elementary particles and cosmology would, were they chosen randomly, lead to a world with carbon chemistry. That probability is less than one part in 10220. but without carbon chemistry the universe would be much less likely to form large numbers of stars massive enough to become black holes, and life would be very unlikely to exist. This is evidence for some mechanism of self organisation, because what we mean by self organisation is a system that moves from a more probable to a less probable configuration. So the best argument we can give that such a mechanism operated in the past must have two parts: first, that the system be structured in some way that is enormously improbable; and second, that nothing acting from the outside could have imposed that organization on the system. In the case of our universe we are taking this second part as a principle. We can satisfy both parts of the argument, and are justified in seeking mechanisms of self organisation to explain why the constants in the laws of nature have been chosen so improbably.
http://www.scienceandreligiontoday.com/2010/05/13/does-a-fine-tuned-universe-lead-to-god/
The laws of nature.
The constants of physics.
The initial conditions of the universe.
Collins makes a threefold “fine-tuning case” for God.
“How many universes then would you need to make it at all probable that one of them could be like our universe? String theorists posit a number of 10 to the power of 500….Now that is an awful lot of universes, particularly since the estimate for the total number of atoms in the entire observable universe is no more than 10 to the power of 80.”
The universe is finely tuned to permit life on our planet. Over 120 fine tune constants are know up to know, and as more time pasts, more are discovered. This might be due to chance, to physical need, or to design. Chance is a very bad explanation. Some advocate a Multiverse. But to have just one life permitting universe, you need 1 to 10^500 attempts to get it done. Thats a 1 with 500 zeros. If we put it in comparison, that in our universe, there exist around 10^80 atoms, this shows how improbable it is, that a Multiverse could explain finetuning. Beside this, the Multiverse argument does not explain away God. A mechanism needs to be in place to trigger these multiverses. It could not be by physical need, since if so, why are there many planets, which are not life permitting, but our is ? So its best explained by design. Our earth/solar/moon system is a very strong evidence. Our solar system is embedded at the right position in our galaxy, neither too close, nor too far from the center of the galaxy. Its also the only location, which alouds us to explore the universe, In a other location, and we would not see more than stellar clouds. The earth has the right distance from the sun, and so has the moon from the earth. The size of the moon, and the earth, is the right one. Our planet has the needed minerals, and water. It has the right atmosphere, and a ozon protecting mantle. Jupiter attracts all asteroids , avoiding these to fall to the earth, and make life impossible. The earths magnetic field protects us from the deadly rays of the sun. The velocity of rotation of the earth is just right. And so is the axial tilt of the earth. Beside this, volcano activities, earth quakes, the size of the crust of the earth, and more over 70 different paramenters must be just right. To believe, all these are just right by chance, needs a big leap of faith. This is indeed maibe the strongest argument for theism.
the probability of the universe supporting life is precisely 1:1.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/michael_hurben/univ.html
"Suppose you are dragged before a firing squad consisting of 100 marksmen. You hear the command to fire and the crashing roar of the rifles. You then realize you are still alive, and that not a single bullet found its mark. How are you to react to this rather unlikely event?"
'Of course you do not observe that you are dead, because if you were dead, you would not be able to observe that fact!' However, this does not stop you from being amazed and surprised by the fact that you did survive against overwhelming odds. Moreover, you would try to deduce the reason for this unlikely event, which was too improbable to happen by chance. Surely, the best explanation is that there was some plan among the marksmen to miss you on purpose. In other words, you are probably alive for a very definite reason, not because of some random, unlikely, freak accident."
"So we should conclude the same with the cosmos. It is natural for us to ask why we escaped the firing squad. Because it is so unlikely that this amazing universe with its precariously balanced constants could have come about by sheer accident, it is likely that there was some purpose in mind, before or during its creation. And the mind in question belongs to God."
http://academic.udayton.edu/WilliamRichards/Intro%20essays/Collins,%20Fine-tuning.htm
The universe is analogous to such a “biosphere,” according to recent findings in physics. Almost everything about the basic structure of the universe—for example, the fundamental laws and parameters of physics and the initial distribution of matter and energy—is balanced on a razor’s edge for life to occur. As eminent Princeton physicist Freeman Dyson notes, “There are many. . . lucky accidents in physics. Without such accidents, water could not exist as liquid, chains of carbon atoms could not form complex organic molecules, and hydrogen atoms could not form breakable bridges between molecules" (1979, p. 251)—in short, life as we know it would be impossible.
Scientists and others call this extraordinary balancing of the fundamental physical structure of the universe for life the “fine-tuning of the cosmos." It has been extensively discussed by philosophers, theologians, and scientists, especially since the early 1970s, with many articles and books written on the topic. Today, many consider it as providing the most persuasive current argument for the existence of God. For example, theoretical physicist and popular science writer Paul Davies claims that with regard to basic structure of the universe, “the impression of design is overwhelming” (Davies, 1988, p. 203).
Psalm 19?
"The heavens declare the glory of God."
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fine+tuning+of+the+universe&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Fine-tuned Universe
1) If our universe is random, then it is very unlikely that it permits life.
(2)Our universe permits life.
(3)Therefore,the existence of our universe is very likely due to something other than chance.
1. The fine-tuning of the universe is due either to physical necessity, chance, or design.
2. It is not due to physical necessity or chance.
3. Therefore, it is due to design.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuning
The necessity of fine-tuning leads to various problems that do not show that the theories are incorrect, in the sense of falsifying observations, but nevertheless indicate that a piece of the story is missing. For example, the cosmological constant problem (why is the cosmological constant so small?); the hierarchy problem; the strong CP problem, and others.
An example of a fine-tuning problem considered by the scientific community to have a plausible "natural" solution is the cosmological flatness problem, which is solved if inflationary theory is correct: inflation forces the universe to become very flat, answering the question of why the universe is today observed to be flat to such a high degree.
Anthropic principle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle
Originally proposed as a rule of reasoning, the term has since been extended to cover supposed "superlaws" that in various ways require the universe to support intelligent life, usually assumed to be carbon-based and occasionally asserted to be human beings. Anthropic reasoning assesses these constraints by analyzing the properties of hypothetical universes whose fundamental parameters or laws of physics differ from those of the real universe. Anthropic reasoning typically concludes that the stability of structures essential for life, from atomic nuclei to the whole universe, depends on delicate balances between different fundamental forces. These balances are believed to occur only in a tiny fraction of possible universes — so that this universe appears fine-tuned for life. Anthropic reasoning attempts to explain and quantify this fine tuning. Within the scientific community the usual approach is to invoke selection effects and to hypothesize an ensemble of alternate universes, in which case that which can be observed is subject to an anthropic bias.
The term anthropic in "anthropic principle" has been argued to be a misnomer. While singling out our kind of carbon-based life, none of the coincidences require human life or demand that carbon-based life develop intelligence.[1][2]
The anthropic principle has given rise to some confusion and controversy, partly because the phrase has been applied to several distinct ideas. All versions of the principle have been accused of undermining the search for a deeper physical understanding of the universe. Those who invoke the anthropic principle often invoke multiple universes or an intelligent designer, both controversial and criticised for being untestable and therefore outside the purview of accepted science.
Quotes
http://www.y-origins.com/index.php?p=quotes
"The odds against a universe like ours coming out of something like the Big Bang are enormous. I think there are clearly religious implications" (John Boslough, Stephen Hawking's Universe, p. 121).
Fred Hoyle
(British astrophysicist)
“A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.”
http://www.bethinking.org/science-christianity/fine-tuning-the-multiverse-theory.htm
Hawking, A Brief History of Time, p.125.
The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life… It seems clear that there are relatively few ranges of values for the numbers that would allow the development of any form of intelligent life. Most sets of values would give rise to universes that, although they might be very beautiful, would contain no one able to wonder at their beauty.
George Ellis
(British astrophysicist)
“Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word ‘miraculous’ without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word.”
Paul Davies
(British astrophysicist)
“There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all. It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature’s numbers to make the Universe. The impression of design is overwhelming.”
Alan Sandage
(winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy)
“I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing.”
John O'Keefe
(NASA astronomer)
“We are, by astronomical standards, a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures. If the universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in.”
George Greenstein
(astronomer)
“As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency—or, rather, Agency—must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?”
Arthur Eddington
(astrophysicist)
“The idea of a universal mind or Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present state of scientific theory.”
Arno Penzias
(Nobel prize in physics)
“Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say ‘supernatural’) plan.”
Roger Penrose
(mathematician and author)
“I would say the universe has a purpose. It’s not there just somehow by chance.”
Tony Rothman
(physicist)
“When confronted with the order and beauty of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it’s very tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it.”
Vera Kistiakowsky
(MIT physicist)
“The exquisite order displayed by our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the divine.”
Stephen Hawking
(British astrophysicist)
“What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe? …
Up to now, most scientists have been too occupied with the development of new theories that describe what the universe is to ask the question why?”
Alexander Polyakov
(Soviet mathematician)
“We know that nature is described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created it.”
Ed Harrison
(cosmologist)
“Here is the cosmological proof of the existence of God—the design argument of Paley—updated and refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one. Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the teleological or design argument.”
Edward Milne
(British cosmologist)
“As to the cause of the Universe, in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but our picture is incomplete without Him [God].”
Barry Parker
(cosmologist)
“Who created these laws? There is no question but that a God will always be needed.”
Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel
(cosmologists)
“This type of universe, however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial conditions that is in apparent conflict with ‘common wisdom’.”
Arthur L. Schawlow
(Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981 Nobel Prize in physics)
“It seems to me that when confronted with the marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how. The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God in the universe and in my own life.”
Henry "Fritz" Schaefer
(computational quantum chemist)
“The significance and joy in my science comes in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to myself, ‘So that’s how God did it.’ My goal is to understand a little corner of God’s plan.”
Wernher von Braun
(Pioneer rocket engineer)
“I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science.”
Anthropic coincidences :
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Anthropic+Coincidences&start=30&sa=N
anthropic-principle.com
http://www.anthropic-principle.com/
Resources :
http://www.anthropic-principle.com/preprints.html#history
http://anthropic-principle.com/preprints.html
Welcome! Here you will find both popular overviews and scholarly material on everything related to observation selection effects, the anthropic principle, self-locating belief, and associated applications and paradoxes in science and philosophy.
Subject: Probability of Fine-Tuning
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6411
Then we compare that range with the range of values that the constant could have assumed. This is trickier, but a simple rule of thumb is to take the range to be as wide as we can see that such values are possible. There may be values that a constant could have which lie outside our ken, but so long as the range that we can see is large in comparison to the life-permitting range, then that constant’s having the value it does is improbable. For some of the constants, like the cosmological constant, the range of life permitting values is incomprehensibly tiny in comparison with the range of values we see that it could have, so that the chances of the constant’s having the value it does is virtually next to impossible.
The range itself is not fine-tuned. Rather it is the individual constant that is fine-tuned, that is to say, in order for the universe to be life-permitting the constant must fall into a very narrow life-permitting range in comparison to the range of values it could have assumed.
You’re right that detractors of design have been forced to resort to the extraordinary Many Worlds Hypothesis in an effort to explain away fine-tuning. If there is a World Ensemble of universes which are infinite in number and varying randomly in their constants and initial conditions, then by chance alone a life-permitting universe will appear in the ensemble, indeed, it will appear an infinite number of times.
Now this recourse to the World Ensemble will be in vain if it turns out that the mechanism that generates the World Ensemble must itself be fine-tuned, for then one has only kicked the problem upstairs. And, indeed, that does seem to be the case. The most popular candidate for a World Ensemble today, the inflationary multiverse, does appear to require fine-tuning. For example, M-theory, the theory which supposedly governs the multiverse, works only if there are exactly eleven dimensions—but it does nothing to explain why precisely that number of dimensions should exist.
So when your teachers or classmates pull the multiverse out of the bag, just ask them, “Isn’t the multiverse itself describable by specific physical laws? Don’t those laws themselves include constants and boundary conditions which must be fine-tuned in order for the multiverse to exist?’” It will be interesting to hear their reply!
further reading to the question about who is the " tuner " :
http://elshamah.heavenforum.org/does-god-exist-origin-of-god-metaphysical-reality-f10/who-is-god-t79.htm
Recommended sites :
Barrow and Tipler on the Anthropic Principle vs. Divine Design
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/barrow.html
Anthropic principle
ज्ञानकोश: - The Indological Knowledgebase
http://www.indopedia.org/Anthropic_principle.html
Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/designun.html
Quotes from Scientists Regarding Design of the Universe
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/quotes.html
Design and the Anthropic Principle Dr. Hugh Ross, Ph.D.
http://www.origins.org/articles/ross_designanthropic.html
Design and the Anthropic Principle by Hugh Ross
Father Robert Spitzer: The Anthropic Principle - Theistic Implications
http://www.counterbalance.org/cosmcrea/spitzer-frame.html
Fine-tuned universe
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Fine-tuned_universe#encyclopedia
The Fundamental Numbers are Fine Tuned
http://www.churchintoronto.org/LU5.htm
Divine Design of the Universe?
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/universe2.htm
The Electric Charge of the Electron
"The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been finely adjusted to make possible the development of life. For example if the electric charge of the electron had been only slightly different, stars would have been unable to burn hydrogen and helium , or else they would not have exploded." [A Brief History of Time, p. 125] A minor difference in the electron's charge and stars wouldn't burn. There would be no burning sun at the centre of our solar system to provide life-supporting heat and light. Also there would be no supernova explosions to produce the raw materials for the formation of planets like our earth." [Ferguson, p. 94]
Why Creation of Universe is Not an Accident
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19247625/Why-Creation-of-Universe-is-Not-an-Accident
Post-Agnostic Science:How Physics Is Reviving the Argument From Design
http://www.leaderu.org/offices/koons/docs/svsu.html
Books :
By John D. Barrow, Frank J. Tipler
The anthropic cosmological principle, Volume 511
By Lizhi Fang, Shu Xian Li
Creation of the universe
By Helge Kragh
Cosmology and controversy: the historical development of two theories of the ...
By Fraser Watts
Creation: Law and Probability
By Rodney D. Holder
God, the multiverse, and everything: modern cosmology and the argument from ...
By Helge Kragh
Matter and spirit in the universe: scientific and religious preludes to ...
D. Overmann, A Case Against Accident and Self-Organization
By Roy Porter, Mary Jo Nye
The Cambridge History of Science: The modern physical and mathematical ...
By Mark H. Jones, Robert J. Lambourne, David John Adams
An introduction to galaxies and cosmology
By F. Bertola, Umberto Curi
The anthropic principle: proceedings of the second Venice ..., Volume 511
By Guillermo Gonzalez, Jay Wesley Richards
The privileged planet: how our place in the cosmos is designed for discovery
By John D. Barrow, Frank J. Tipler Ph.D.
The anthropic cosmological principle, Volume 511
Swinburne, Ross, And the Cosmological Argument
http://www.scribd.com/doc/93428/Swinburne-Ross-And-the-Cosmological-Argument
Scientific papers on the cosmological constants :
DO LENSING STATISTICS RULE OUT A COSMOLOGICAL CONSTANT?
http://super.colorado.edu/~michaele/Lambda/CY97.pdf
How physically plausible is the cosmological constant?
http://super.colorado.edu/~michaele/Lambda/phys.html
Even though theoretical calculations of the cosmological constant are not fully understood, the fact remains that the vacuum energy does exist. Since gravity couples all forms of energy, the cosmological constant remains as a physically plausible part of modern cosmology.
Disturbing Implications of a Cosmological Constant
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0208/0208013v3.pdf
Some unknown agent initially started the inflaton high up on its potential, and the rest is history.
Evidence for a positive cosmological constant from flows of galaxies and distant supernovae
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v401/n6750/abs/401252a0.html
Recent observations1, 2 of high-redshift supernovae seem to suggest that the global geometry of the Universe may be affected by a 'cosmological constant', which acts to accelerate the expansion rate with time.
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