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Who created God ? on Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:54 pm
Who designed the Designer?
God has always existed, independent from anything he created.Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time God is the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity (Isaiah 57:15). Therefore He doesn't have a cause.So, if there were onces absolutely nothing, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.
God is not a dependent being, but self-sufficient, self-existent. And this is exactly how the Bible describes God, and how God has revealed himself to be. Why must God be this way?Our universe cannot be explained any other way. It could not have created itself. It has not always existed. And it could not be created by something that itself is created. Why not?It isn't coherent to argue that the universe was created by God, but God was in turn created by God to the second power, who was in turn created by God to the third power, and so on. As Aristotle cogently argued, there must be a reality that causes but is itself uncaused (or, a being that moves but is itself unmoved). Why? Because if there is an infinite regression of causes, then by definition the whole process could never begin.
How do we know this? We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/PageServer?pagename=q_and_a
Now your concern is different than Dawkins'. You say that we can infer an unknown designer for, say, archaeological artifacts because we are familiar with the production of such artifacts by human beings. It was precisely to forestall this sort of objection, however, that I gave my second illustration concerning astronauts' finding a pile of machinery on the back side of the moon. They know that no country other than the U.S.A. has successfully carried out moon landings and that we didn't leave that stuff there! We might not have even a clue as to the function of these devices, they are so unfamiliar. Nevertheless, even though such machinery is not the product of human intelligent design, it is still clearly the product of intelligent design.
The salient point is that intelligent design is characterized by certain recognizable earmarks that tip us off to its presence quite independently of our familiarity with the designer. In William Dembski's analysis in The Design Inference it is the combination of high improbability plus conformity to an independently given pattern. If we discover such characteristics in, say, a signal emanating from outer space, as in the movie Contact, then we may infer that the signal is not random noise but the result of some sort of intelligence out there and that we are not alone.
In the case of biological complexity, any reservations we have about a design inference is not because we haven't seen, for example, trees being produced by intelligent design, but rather because we are uncertain that a tree does exhibit those earmarks of intelligent design such as high improbability plus an independently given pattern. The detractor of design will offer a naturalistic, evolutionary story to show that the improbability of the existence of a tree is merely apparent and so warrants no inference of design.
I think, then, that whether or not we are familiar with human production of certain artifacts is really a red herring. Rather the relevant questions will be: (1) What are the characteristics of intelligent design, and (2) Does some entity exhibit those characteristics?
Videos :
Who created God
http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=82e744093088135b9570
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=who+created+god+%3F&search_type=&aq=f
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=who+created+god+%3F&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#
Who Created God? A Response to Dawkins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-SgDpyiKPc&feature=related
What Caused God?
Dr. William Lane Craig answers.
Who created God? Did He have a cause? If the universe needed a cause, why not God?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWiEVNqKhRc
If Eveything Needed a Creator, Then Who Created God?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgBZlhp2XqU&feature=related
Should We Believe Only What Can Be Scientifically Proven?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW-8ia4T-kg&feature=related
Who Designed the Designer?: a response to Richard Dawkins
William Lane Craig responds to Richard Dawkins' "central" argument, and the problem of "who designed the designer".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnhMmJPnnDo
Who Designed the Designer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrSvh1_m94c
Who designed the Designer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zbUl9NZISQ&feature=PlayList&p=64400B3DF2304CD6&index=0
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