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Arguments of unbelievers against faith and Theism on Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:17 pm
Arguments of unbelievers against faith and Theism
Fallacious Arguments
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/reason/
Logical Fallacies and Arguments for God Part 1
Lively Answers to Theists
Logic & Fallacies Constructing a Logical Argument (1997)
The Rational Response Squad Theist Argument Checklist
Book:
arguing for atheism: an introduction to the philosophy of religion By Robin Le Poidevin
With respect to traditional religious doctrines, philosophers tend to be a skeptical lot. It is safe to say that the proportion of atheists and agnostics among professional philosophers is far higher than in the general population (though perhaps not as high as in some other professional groups). However, when one surveys recent work in the philosophy of religion, the overwhelming preponderance of such work has been done by theists.
With certain notable exceptions, atheists have been largely quiescent. Perhaps their ennui is understandable. Many atheists seem to feel that the job of rebutting theism is done and that further such efforts would be an exercise in slaying the slain. I regard this as a most unfortunate attitude. Due to the work of a number of exceptionally qualified theistic philosophers, the defense of theism has taken a number of interesting turns in recent years. I believe that these arguments merit serious critical evaluation.
That atheist philosophers still have interesting things to say is demonstrated by Robin Le Poidevin in his recent book Arguing for Atheism. Le Poidevin is a young (born 1962) but already highly accomplished philosopher. His book is a logically deft and clearly written introduction to the philosophy of religion. It should be useful for undergraduate courses, though parts, such as the discussion of the modal ontological argument, are quite complex and certain to confuse beginners. The book is also a brief for atheism. In general, it serves both of its functions well. However, the three parts of the book are unequal in value. I found part 3, in which Le Poidevin examines the possibility of religion without God, to be of less interest than the earlier sections. Further, though I regard part 1, "The Limits of Theistic Explanation," as a nearly complete success, I have some reservations about the treatment of the problem of evil in part 2.
In part 1 Le Poidevin examines the "big three" arguments for theism -- the cosmological, ontological, and design arguments. To his credit, unlike many authors of introductory-level texts, he does not rehash hackneyed issues. His treatment is fresh and insightful and incorporates recent arguments of the most prominent current theistic philosophers such as William Lane Craig, Alvin Plantinga, and Richard Swinburne. Le Poidevin realizes that these arguments, though often very conservative in content, are defended with a rigor and sophistication that demands critical attention, not bored dismissal. Le Poidevin's criticisms of these arguments are powerful, perhaps even decisive.
Le Poidevin's first chapter "Must the Universe Have a Cause?" is one of the best in the book. He considers two forms of the cosmological argument, the "temporal" form, recently defended by Craig, and the "modal" form, defended by various theists back to Thomas Aquinas. The "temporal" form is given as follows:
1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause of its existence.
2. Nothing can be the cause of its own existence.
3. The universe began to exist.
Therefore: The Universe has a cause of its existence that lies outside the universe.
Le Poidevin correctly points out that the third premise is false if the universe is infinitely old or if time exists as a closed loop with each moment both preceding and following each other moment. Craig has deployed Arabic Kalam arguments to claim that an infinitely old universe is logically impossible since, he contends, no actual infinite can be traversed. For the sake of argument, Le Poidevin concedes the third premise and supposes that the universe had a beginning in time.
There are three possibilities if the universe had a beginning in time: Either time begins with the universe, or time exists for a finite period before the universe, or time exists for an infinite period before the beginning of the universe. In the first case, where time begins with the universe, Le Poidevin says it is senseless to speak of the universe as having a cause since the very notion of "cause" involves temporal priority. This might be disputed; cannot a cause be simultaneous with its effect?
I think Le Poidevin's arguments could easily be extended to counter this objection. If God's creative act coincided in time with the beginning of the universe, then that creative act began to exist, and according to the first premise of the temporal cosmological argument, it must have a cause. That cause must also begin to exist, and so an infinite regress threatens. Therefore, if time begins with the universe, to say that God created time is either incoherent (if causes must precede effects) or leads to an infinite regress (if causes can be simultaneous with effects). If we exempt God's creative acts from the requirement that whatever begins to exist must have a cause, why not exempt the beginning of the space/time universe also?
Suppose, then, that God starts time before the universe. Perhaps he has a countdown: "five, four, three, two, one ... FIAT LUX!" In this case, the beginning of time would be an event in the mind of God -- the start of the countdown. But here again, if God's creative act in starting the countdown is the beginning of time, that act begins to exist, and the temporal cosmological argument requires that that act also have a cause. Once again the infinite regress abyss yawns.
Defenders of Kalam arguments, such as Craig, deny that an actual infinite can be crossed, so they must deny the third possibility -- that time existed for an infinite period before the universe. However, if it is admitted that infinite time could have existed prior to the universe, we have to ask why the universe began when it did rather than sooner or later. The answer that God willed it to begin just before it did will not do. According to the first premise of the argument, that act of divine will must have had a cause, and, since we are supposing time to stretch back infinitely, that cause must have had a cause and so on ad infinitum. Yet it is precisely such infinite causal regresses that cosmological arguments are intended to avoid.
Fallacious Arguments
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/reason/
Logical Fallacies and Arguments for God Part 1
Lively Answers to Theists
Logic & Fallacies Constructing a Logical Argument (1997)
The Rational Response Squad Theist Argument Checklist
Book:
arguing for atheism: an introduction to the philosophy of religion By Robin Le Poidevin
With respect to traditional religious doctrines, philosophers tend to be a skeptical lot. It is safe to say that the proportion of atheists and agnostics among professional philosophers is far higher than in the general population (though perhaps not as high as in some other professional groups). However, when one surveys recent work in the philosophy of religion, the overwhelming preponderance of such work has been done by theists.
With certain notable exceptions, atheists have been largely quiescent. Perhaps their ennui is understandable. Many atheists seem to feel that the job of rebutting theism is done and that further such efforts would be an exercise in slaying the slain. I regard this as a most unfortunate attitude. Due to the work of a number of exceptionally qualified theistic philosophers, the defense of theism has taken a number of interesting turns in recent years. I believe that these arguments merit serious critical evaluation.
That atheist philosophers still have interesting things to say is demonstrated by Robin Le Poidevin in his recent book Arguing for Atheism. Le Poidevin is a young (born 1962) but already highly accomplished philosopher. His book is a logically deft and clearly written introduction to the philosophy of religion. It should be useful for undergraduate courses, though parts, such as the discussion of the modal ontological argument, are quite complex and certain to confuse beginners. The book is also a brief for atheism. In general, it serves both of its functions well. However, the three parts of the book are unequal in value. I found part 3, in which Le Poidevin examines the possibility of religion without God, to be of less interest than the earlier sections. Further, though I regard part 1, "The Limits of Theistic Explanation," as a nearly complete success, I have some reservations about the treatment of the problem of evil in part 2.
In part 1 Le Poidevin examines the "big three" arguments for theism -- the cosmological, ontological, and design arguments. To his credit, unlike many authors of introductory-level texts, he does not rehash hackneyed issues. His treatment is fresh and insightful and incorporates recent arguments of the most prominent current theistic philosophers such as William Lane Craig, Alvin Plantinga, and Richard Swinburne. Le Poidevin realizes that these arguments, though often very conservative in content, are defended with a rigor and sophistication that demands critical attention, not bored dismissal. Le Poidevin's criticisms of these arguments are powerful, perhaps even decisive.
Le Poidevin's first chapter "Must the Universe Have a Cause?" is one of the best in the book. He considers two forms of the cosmological argument, the "temporal" form, recently defended by Craig, and the "modal" form, defended by various theists back to Thomas Aquinas. The "temporal" form is given as follows:
1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause of its existence.
2. Nothing can be the cause of its own existence.
3. The universe began to exist.
Therefore: The Universe has a cause of its existence that lies outside the universe.
Le Poidevin correctly points out that the third premise is false if the universe is infinitely old or if time exists as a closed loop with each moment both preceding and following each other moment. Craig has deployed Arabic Kalam arguments to claim that an infinitely old universe is logically impossible since, he contends, no actual infinite can be traversed. For the sake of argument, Le Poidevin concedes the third premise and supposes that the universe had a beginning in time.
There are three possibilities if the universe had a beginning in time: Either time begins with the universe, or time exists for a finite period before the universe, or time exists for an infinite period before the beginning of the universe. In the first case, where time begins with the universe, Le Poidevin says it is senseless to speak of the universe as having a cause since the very notion of "cause" involves temporal priority. This might be disputed; cannot a cause be simultaneous with its effect?
I think Le Poidevin's arguments could easily be extended to counter this objection. If God's creative act coincided in time with the beginning of the universe, then that creative act began to exist, and according to the first premise of the temporal cosmological argument, it must have a cause. That cause must also begin to exist, and so an infinite regress threatens. Therefore, if time begins with the universe, to say that God created time is either incoherent (if causes must precede effects) or leads to an infinite regress (if causes can be simultaneous with effects). If we exempt God's creative acts from the requirement that whatever begins to exist must have a cause, why not exempt the beginning of the space/time universe also?
Suppose, then, that God starts time before the universe. Perhaps he has a countdown: "five, four, three, two, one ... FIAT LUX!" In this case, the beginning of time would be an event in the mind of God -- the start of the countdown. But here again, if God's creative act in starting the countdown is the beginning of time, that act begins to exist, and the temporal cosmological argument requires that that act also have a cause. Once again the infinite regress abyss yawns.
Defenders of Kalam arguments, such as Craig, deny that an actual infinite can be crossed, so they must deny the third possibility -- that time existed for an infinite period before the universe. However, if it is admitted that infinite time could have existed prior to the universe, we have to ask why the universe began when it did rather than sooner or later. The answer that God willed it to begin just before it did will not do. According to the first premise of the argument, that act of divine will must have had a cause, and, since we are supposing time to stretch back infinitely, that cause must have had a cause and so on ad infinitum. Yet it is precisely such infinite causal regresses that cosmological arguments are intended to avoid.
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